Worth the Doe?

A.T.I. · 11-24-2007, 10:22 PM

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Considering that the Wu have gone platinum before, several times I might add, it isn't that crazy of a prediction

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Actually, it's a completely idiotic prediction, seeing as the biggest artists in rap music don't even go multi-plat these days, and seeing as how the commercial market doesn't give a shit about the Wu, they are going to flop, and flop bad...so that shit is worse than Game saying he's going to sell a mill first week...only a true Wu dickrider would say such a moronic thing

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Plus, Finding Forever was gay and homo as fuck. Just because a lot of people like it doesn't make the quality any better. According to your logic, 50cent and Puffy would be better than GZA, INS, Masta Ace, Kweli, Mos, and Ruck put together. Shit is retarded, so the point you were trying to make, that a lot of people liked it, is really irrelevent and proves nothing

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Wow, it's a shame you can't understand a simple post, because your whole sales doesn't equal quality shit is predictable, but worse, has nothing to do with what I said. See, if both the underground and the mainstream liked 50 Cent and Puff, then your argument would make sense, and actually be relevant to what I said, but because that's far from the case, it doesn't.

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And because I don't like predictable rhymes delivered by a boring faggot who sounds like he has the flu, over pseduo-inspiring beats, that means I'm not a ug head?

err, no, I just wasn't going to take into consideration your opinion on Finding Forever, not only because it's vague and unclever, but because you're a faggot who pretty much had his mind made up about the album before you heard it....but now that you mention it, putting Vinnie Paz over Mos Def and putting Cam'Ron over Jay-Z lessens the validity of your hip-hop knowledge more than anything else you can say in this thread

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Lmao, get it together nigga. And for the record, you can munch on anything, so again, you're wrong...like always.

yes, because I'm munching on water as I type

put down the Black Panther poster, and pick up a dictionary, the phrase would be 'munch out on curry' in the context you tried and failed to use it in

ILLogic · 11-24-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A.T.I.

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Actually, it's a completely idiotic prediction, seeing as the biggest artists in rap music don't even go multi-plat these days, and seeing as how the commercial market doesn't give a shit about the Wu, they are going to flop, and flop bad...so that shit is worse than Game saying he's going to sell a mill first week...only a true Wu dickrider would say such a moronic thing

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Wow, it's a shame you can't understand a simple post, because your whole sales doesn't equal quality shit is predictable, but worse, has nothing to do with what I said. See, if both the underground and the mainstream liked 50 Cent and Puff, then your argument would make sense, and actually be relevant to what I said, but because that's far from the case, it doesn't.

err, no, I just wasn't going to take into consideration your opinion on Finding Forever, not only because it's vague and unclever, but because you're a faggot who pretty much had his mind made up about the album before you heard it....but now that you mention it, putting Vinnie Paz over Mos Def and putting Cam'Ron over Jay-Z lessens the validity of your hip-hop knowledge more than anything else you can say in this thread

yes, because I'm munching on water as I type

put down the Black Panther poster, and pick up a dictionary, the phrase would be 'munch out on curry' in the context you tried and failed to use it in

Lmao, your probably the dumbest Muslim I ever heard in my life. I'm honestly sad that we're from the same religion, but then again, only a fuckin' Indian could think in such a faggot-manner.

First off, you're a fuckin' elitist! You're whole conception of hip-hop is flawed since you only like a certain style of hip-hop. And Wu could go platinum. This album has been anticipated, by ug heads for years, not to mention I know a lot of mainstream cats who dig Wu, maybe not as much as the ug heads, seeing as they just got up on some Iron Flag shit, but they still would cop the album.

And I love how I'm a dickrider.
"First you a hater if you think a nigga's rhymes suck, but like him to much you a dick rider, nigga make ya mind up!" - Jakki

Second, I always keep an open mind when trying a new album out. But it's as his past albums were, boring and gay. But now I guess I should add 'imo' so I don't hurt your feelings.

And again, the only shit you bump is alternative shit, so obviously you're gonna hate on anything that isn't it, and therefore put Mos (or any other altern. emcee you wanna pull out) over Vin or anyone else for that matter. And I'm not saying that Vin is good, just because he was dope on VBD doesn't mean he's dope overall. Duke is repetitive and a lot of the time, annoying. But Mos is worse. Again, same scenario, dropped a dope ass debut, a classic, BOBS, and a classic with Kweli, but the rest of his shit has been straight bootycake. And when it comes down to the shit material between them both, Vin's got it, with his raw flow and banger shit. Mos' whack shit has been extremely whack and gay, duke got lazy as fuck and just recorded some pure shit to get outta his contract so he could crossover to movies, and you know that shit. And as far as Cam and HOV go, shit is, again, another thing we'll disagree on. HOV has one of the dopest flows of all time, Cam doesn't, but has that shit you can bump in your ride without feeling like a pussy because Pharell is on the hook. Cam's punchlines and history with COTC are dope, but of course, you only like alternative shit, so you'll hate on street music. I love that alternative shit, but it gets old after a while and Cam makes that anti-intellectual Harlem, street-clever shit you can bump in the whip to break the backpacker shit that gets old.

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And for the record, when I said you can munch on anything, I wasn't speaking about liquids. You can munch on any type of food, such as curry.

Deep South Kid · 11-24-2007, 10:50 PM

Damn...This match might need extra time on that clock to get to a winner.

A.T.I. · 11-24-2007, 11:23 PM

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Lmao, your probably the dumbest Muslim I ever heard in my life. I'm honestly sad that we're from the same religion, but then again, only a fuckin' Indian could think in such a faggot-manner.

you know, I would have thought you understood the fact that when you try and insult another person's intelligence, making blatant errors in phrasing and grammar sort of makes you look like a complete jack-ass...but then again, you're special, and no, not in a good way

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First off, you're a fuckin' elitist! You're whole conception of hip-hop is flawed since you only like a certain style of hip-hop. And Wu could go platinum. This album has been anticipated, by ug heads for years, not to mention I know a lot of mainstream cats who dig Wu, maybe not as much as the ug heads, seeing as they just got up on some Iron Flag shit, but they still would cop the album.

umm, no, it doesn't take an elitist to know that Cam'Ron is gay and whack (see in this case, the vagueness doesn't hurt, because this is a widely accepted notion), not to mention the fact that you really have no clue what I listen to, so I'm going to assume you're just basing that off my sigs or something....and Wu can't go plat, much less multi-plat...old Wu fans might still be waiting on this (I doubt even that much is true), but you don't sell records when the mainstream doesn't know you're dropping, when you don't have an official single, never mind a video, and also, when the only people talking about the Wu are 30-something year olds blogger who used to think bumpin the Wu at their Ivy League colleges was the thing to do...sorry, it has nothing to do with this album's quality, but it is just completely sad that you have no understanding of how the music market works

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And I love how I'm a dickrider.
"First you a hater if you think a nigga's rhymes suck, but like him to much you a dick rider, nigga make ya mind up!" - Jakki

umm, no, seeing as me calling you that had nothing to do with a judgement in music, so please, no more irrelevant quotations.....if you had said you expected this album to be really good, THEN that would be valid

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Second, I always keep an open mind when trying a new album out. But it's as his past albums were, boring and gay. But now I guess I should add 'imo' so I don't hurt your feelings.

Yes, and Nas has a boring flow and talks about pyramids...let's save the vague descriptions for a more boring thread

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And again, the only shit you bump is alternative shit, so obviously you're gonna hate on anything that isn't it, and therefore put Mos (or any other altern. emcee you wanna pull out) over Vin or anyone else for that matter.

Again, here's you trying to guess who I listen to, and failing miserably. First off, I pretty much bump anything and everything when it comes to good rap music... the fact that I don't think JMT's fake-gangster shit is RAW AS FUCK or that Cam isn't gay, or that Sean P's random quips that go nowhere are utterly amazing doesn't mean that I dislike everything that isn't backpacker or whatever it is that you're trying to imply...if that were true, I wouldn't be listenting to Jay-Z or Nas would I? Much less hold them as two of my favorite artists....not to mention giving spins to rappers of all sub-genres, whether it be Hasan Salaam to Eminem to Canibus to Kanye West to 50 Cent, etc. I hate Aes and MF Doom right along with everyone else, just because I like Comm/Mos/Talib doesn't mean I've ascended backback rap to some unreachable level

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And I'm not saying that Vin is good, just because he was dope on VBD doesn't mean he's dope overall. Duke is repetitive and a lot of the time, annoying. But Mos is worse. Again, same scenario, dropped a dope ass debut, a classic, BOBS, and a classic with Kweli, but the rest of his shit has been straight bootycake. And when it comes down to the shit material between them both, Vin's got it, with his raw flow and banger shit. Mos' whack shit has been extremely whack and gay, duke got lazy as fuck and just recorded some pure shit to get outta his contract so he could crossover to movies, and you know that shit.

So basically, Mos has two classic albums, both miles ahead of anything Paz has done or will ever do as an emcee, but because Mos' weaker shit is worse (not to mention less abundant and more) than Paz', that makes Paz better? Illogic indeed, it's too bad Paz has nothing close to classic soely as an emcee, and has built a career riding the coattails of a legendary producer...Mos' contract-influenced shit has been weak, but the fact of the matter is, his best work is timeless and legendary, and his skill-set during his prime is one of the best seen....compared to a guy who supposedly has 1 lyrically 'good' album under his belt

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And as far as Cam and HOV go, shit is, again, another thing we'll disagree on. HOV has one of the dopest flows of all time, Cam doesn't, but has that shit you can bump in your ride without feeling like a pussy because Pharell is on the hook. Cam's punchlines and history with COTC are dope, but of course, you only like alternative shit, so you'll hate on street music. I love that alternative shit, but it gets old after a while and Cam makes that anti-intellectual Harlem, street-clever shit you can bump in the whip to break the backpacker shit that gets old.

So basically you feel cooler bumping Girls, Girls, Girls, or computer putin' records in the whip? Smoooooth. Again, your whole frame of argument makes no sense, because if I didn't like street shit, why would I bring up Jay-Z in the first place, forget having RD as my fav. album, and AZ and Kool G as some of my fav. artists

It again comes down to an artist with classic material, and several very good albums in his career, against a guy who's worst shit is miles below Hov's, and best shit with COTC is dubious at best, and really only gets praised for his company, as well as due to the extreme fall-off....the same thing happens with other really whack emcees, like 50 cent or Lloyd Banks

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And for the record, when I said you can munch on anything, I wasn't speaking about liquids. You can munch on any type of food, such as curry

err, right, I'ma stick with that's not really possible unless you're eating something with it

ILLogic · 11-25-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by A.T.I.

you know, I would have thought you understood the fact that when you try and insult another person's intelligence, making blatant errors in phrasing and grammar sort of makes you look like a complete jack-ass...but then again, you're special, and no, not in a good way

umm, no, it doesn't take an elitist to know that Cam'Ron is gay and whack (see in this case, the vagueness doesn't hurt, because this is a widely accepted notion), not to mention the fact that you really have no clue what I listen to, so I'm going to assume you're just basing that off my sigs or something....and Wu can't go plat, much less multi-plat...old Wu fans might still be waiting on this (I doubt even that much is true), but you don't sell records when the mainstream doesn't know you're dropping, when you don't have an official single, never mind a video, and also, when the only people talking about the Wu are 30-something year olds blogger who used to think bumpin the Wu at their Ivy League colleges was the thing to do...sorry, it has nothing to do with this album's quality, but it is just completely sad that you have no understanding of how the music market works

umm, no, seeing as me calling you that had nothing to do with a judgement in music, so please, no more irrelevant quotations.....if you had said you expected this album to be really good, THEN that would be valid

Yes, and Nas has a boring flow and talks about pyramids...let's save the vague descriptions for a more boring thread

Again, here's you trying to guess who I listen to, and failing miserably. First off, I pretty much bump anything and everything when it comes to good rap music... the fact that I don't think JMT's fake-gangster shit is RAW AS FUCK or that Cam isn't gay, or that Sean P's random quips that go nowhere are utterly amazing doesn't mean that I dislike everything that isn't backpacker or whatever it is that you're trying to imply...if that were true, I wouldn't be listenting to Jay-Z or Nas would I? Much less hold them as two of my favorite artists....not to mention giving spins to rappers of all sub-genres, whether it be Hasan Salaam to Eminem to Canibus to Kanye West to 50 Cent, etc. I hate Aes and MF Doom right along with everyone else, just because I like Comm/Mos/Talib doesn't mean I've ascended backback rap to some unreachable level

So basically, Mos has two classic albums, both miles ahead of anything Paz has done or will ever do as an emcee, but because Mos' weaker shit is worse (not to mention less abundant and more) than Paz', that makes Paz better? Illogic indeed, it's too bad Paz has nothing close to classic soely as an emcee, and has built a career riding the coattails of a legendary producer...Mos' contract-influenced shit has been weak, but the fact of the matter is, his best work is timeless and legendary, and his skill-set during his prime is one of the best seen....compared to a guy who supposedly has 1 lyrically 'good' album under his belt

So basically you feel cooler bumping Girls, Girls, Girls, or computer putin' records in the whip? Smoooooth. Again, your whole frame of argument makes no sense, because if I didn't like street shit, why would I bring up Jay-Z in the first place, forget having RD as my fav. album, and AZ and Kool G as some of my fav. artists

It again comes down to an artist with classic material, and several very good albums in his career, against a guy who's worst shit is miles below Hov's, and best shit with COTC is dubious at best, and really only gets praised for his company, as well as due to the extreme fall-off....the same thing happens with other really whack emcees, like 50 cent or Lloyd Banks

err, right, I'ma stick with that's not really possible unless you're eating something with it

How is dissing my grammar relevent? And considering that English isn't my first language, I think that I spell, and speak, quite well.

And again, you keep saying how because it is 'widely accepted' it must be true. What I said is relevent to the arguement, but obviously it's above your head, and 9th grade intelligence. And on a side note, I still don't see how thinking that the Wu could go platinum is such a ridiculous statement, seeing as they went it before, 36 Chambers went platinum and cats didn't even know they existed before that! So, now, an album from an established group, considered classic by millions, releasing an anticipated album has the possibilty of going platinum. Fishscale got mad acclaim and dumb play, so I don't see why Wu wouldn't get the same treatment from fans and radiostations.

In addition, how was my quote irrelevent? You called me a dickrider because they're my favorite group, and I'm considered a 'hater' because I'm not feeling Mos on every single shit he drops. And how would my quote be valid (in your eyes) if I said I expected the album to be good? Because everyone else already said it was whack, and if I disagree I must be wrong and a dickrider? Again, you on some elitist, majority shit, if it don't got a cult following, it ain't good. Pfft. Sit down.

Vague descriptions? I was merely giving my take on Comm's homo music, nothing more.

Furthermore, I'm not claiming that you're whack or on some 'unreachable backpack level', I'm merely stating that your views are bias because you only like one style. And the fact that you regard 'Bis, Giancana, HOV, and Escobar as some of your favorites only furthers the point I was trying to make earlier in this post, that you find something dope if it has a cult following. Now, I'm not saying that if it is liked it's bad, because that's most definetly not the case, but it seems that all you like is anything alternative and anything outside of that, you only like if it is considered 'dope' by your peers. Shit is whack, and your whole opinion is wrecked because of that.

Again, just because Mos has more shit (and more whack shit) doesn't make him better than Paz. Mos gets boring as fuck, especially when he's lazy, I really don't wanna hear him bitch and complain about whose running the rap game and I don't wanna hear him play bitch on the mic. I'd rather hear Ikon spit some shit about Hamburger Hill and scream 'Daddy!' while tearin' the song apart with his raw flow. And while BOBS and BS can be considered timeless, the same can be said for VBD. True, Vin has never had 'anything close to classic solely' but then again, he never had a (true) solo album. (If you consider anything not VBD solo, you're wrong, duke has mad guests that clutter (and save) the album from shit to mediocrity). And even if Vin did drop a solo joint, I agree, it most likely would be shit, but I'd rather bump that then some half-assed, predictable, boring rhymes from The New Danger. (and btw, the ILLogic wordplay is played out, try again)

Finally, who said anything about 'feeling cool'? I'd rather listen to some gangster babble laced with multis and a few dope punches here and there over a bangin' beat than some bitch-oriented club shit with Pharell half-singing, half-talking over it while Jay screams "I'm in the building!" but coughs half way thru. RD was indeed a hot album, I'm not denying that whatsoever, and he's had quite a bit of other decent shit, but recently he's been softer than your dick when you look at lesbian porn. Now I'm not saying Cam is the best, or even in my top 100, but I'm saying that he has some level of skill and when he isn't lazy, he can write some heat. And his shit with COTC was classic, there's not many emcees who can be on a track with L and hold their own. And as far as that 'I don't like street shit?' comment, refer to what I said above, on how you only like what other people like. Shit is pathetic.

Outtie.

A.T.I. · 11-25-2007, 03:53 AM

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How is dissing my grammar relevent? And considering that English isn't my first language, I think that I spell, and speak, quite well.

It's relevant when you're dissing my intelligence, yet do so in a sentence that barely makes sense gramatically. The irony just flew past you, I guess.

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And again, you keep saying how because it is 'widely accepted' it must be true. What I said is relevent to the arguement, but obviously it's above your head, and 9th grade intelligence

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I say: underground fans and commercial fans alike felt the album

you: I guess that means 50>>INS

yeah, real relevant, like I said, your point made no sense because I clearly wasn't talking about commercial appeal over quality, or anything close to that, so clearly, you need to step your comprehension game up

here's what I'm going to do....I'm going to make a comparison

1) An album that gets mad respect from the mainstream and underground scenes, while being succesful in the market, and well-recieved with critics

2)An album that sells a lot, and is terrible

NOT THE SAME

That doesn't make it fact, it makes your opinion of it, which is already biased, even less worth stating, because you're just spitting out the first vague description of it that pops in your head

I guess Sean P's album was gay and boring, and nobody else thinks so, but that's the way it is just cause

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And on a side note, I still don't see how thinking that the Wu could go platinum is such a ridiculous statement, seeing as they went it before, 36 Chambers went platinum and cats didn't even know they existed before that! So, now, an album from an established group, considered classic by millions, releasing an anticipated album has the possibilty of going platinum. Fishscale got mad acclaim and dumb play, so I don't see why Wu wouldn't get the same treatment from fans and radiostations.

You seem to think that the market hasn't changed in the last 10 years, so let me brake it down for you....there have been 3 platinum rap albums this year...all three artists are each one of the biggest in music today, have had smash hits over the past 2 years, have everybody in the industry talking about them, and are the superstars of rap...hell, even Jay-Z is going to struggle to go plat...hell, he's prolly gunna stall at 800k. So to say that a group with 0 promo, no succesful single, no commercial buzz, no radio play, and more negative than positive buzz around the album from the members themselves has a chance in hell of going plat simply because they've done it before is idiotic and is talk reserved for the stans of stans...not to mention that the only Ghost song that got any play was what? Oh yeah, a Ne-Yo duet. As far as acclaim, it might get some considering the stanship that hip-hop critics have for artists like Jay, Nas, and the Wu, but really it will be undeserved even if it comes their way.

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In addition, how was my quote irrelevent? You called me a dickrider because they're my favorite group, and I'm considered a 'hater' because I'm not feeling Mos on every single shit he drops. And how would my quote be valid (in your eyes) if I said I expected the album to be good? Because everyone else already said it was whack, and if I disagree I must be wrong and a dickrider? Again, you on some elitist, majority shit, if it don't got a cult following, it ain't good. Pfft. Sit down.

Your quote was irrelevant because I called you a dickrider for making a propostrous statement about their sales...your quote would have been valid if I had actually dissed you for thinking the album was good, only because you would have a good argument for thinking that, as they have a great track record...but again, that wasn't the case, because I wasn't talking about your judgement on their music...As for Mos, I already said his recent shit was whack, so how am I hating on your opinion for that one? So, again, your quote was completely irrelevant...I was just thinking that your homo love for Vincenzo and Jus Blasphemy makes you biased to the point where it's not even about talent...I'm not about to call Ye a better emcee than Mos simply because all his albums shit on Mos' recent work, that just doesn't make sense...it wouldn't take an elitist to prove that that was a terrible opinion

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Furthermore, I'm not claiming that you're whack or on some 'unreachable backpack level', I'm merely stating that your views are bias because you only like one style. And the fact that you regard 'Bis, Giancana, HOV, and Escobar as some of your favorites only furthers the point I was trying to make earlier in this post, that you find something dope if it has a cult following.

How do I like one style if I like a variety of rappers? Again, you make no sense...you say I like only alternative rappers, that I don't like street rappers, but now it's I only like rappers that other people think are dope...which one is it, make up your mind...it's not a wild coincidence that the rappers I like get mad acclaim....I like rappers who put out great albums, and if you asked any other member here to list their favorite artists, I can guarantee that 9/10 of their fav. artits will have several albums that have been very well recieved in numerous ways, so this whole 'u only like __________ rappers' is not workin' out too well for ya

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Now, I'm not saying that if it is liked it's bad, because that's most definetly not the case, but it seems that all you like is anything alternative and anything outside of that, you only like if it is considered 'dope' by your peers. Shit is whack, and your whole opinion is wrecked because of that.

So basically, because I'm not like you, and have an artist that everyone hates for the most part that I swear is good, I'm whack? Your argument is pointless because not only do 99/100 rappers have some sort of following in various spheres, I've been into artists like Hasan Salaam, Napolean, Kanye West, Classified, Nas, k-os, etc. before I ever spoke to anyone about their music, or had any idea of how they were recieved in the midst of the rap game

I really couldn't care less about my peers opinion if I dnt like something...if that were that case, I wouldn't go around spweing statements against the likes of Sean Price, Soul on Ice, 36 Chambers, Life After Death, Nocturnal, etc.

Any artist worth mentioning is going to be considered dope by some people, so it's not even worth debating if liking unknown, or un-acclaimed artists makes someone's taste superior

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Again, just because Mos has more shit (and more whack shit) doesn't make him better than Paz. Mos gets boring as fuck, especially when he's lazy, I really don't wanna hear him bitch and complain about whose running the rap game and I don't wanna hear him play bitch on the mic. I'd rather hear Ikon spit some shit about Hamburger Hill and scream 'Daddy!' while tearin' the song apart with his raw flow

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Umm, actually it does matter that Mos has more classic shit than Paz does, because that's basically where your going to base their talent off of, seeing as Mos and Paz have been EXTREMELY wack on their recent projects, so it's not even worth comparing Paz' gay fake gangster dick gargling raps with Mos' sleep enducing, 'I'm really out there' bullshit...both whack, we get it

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And while BOBS and BS can be considered timeless, the same can be said for VBD. True, Vin has never had 'anything close to classic solely' but then again, he never had a (true) solo album. (If you consider anything not VBD solo, you're wrong, duke has mad guests that clutter (and save) the album from shit to mediocrity). And even if Vin did drop a solo joint, I agree, it most likely would be shit, but I'd rather bump that then some half-assed, predictable, boring rhymes from The New Danger. (and btw, the ILLogic wordplay is played out, try again)

Umm, I wouldn't go far as to say VBD was timeless, not only because I don't think it's anything special personally, but generally VBD isn't even noticed as timeless by anyone other than select underground fans, but whatever, I guess you meant timeless to you as an album.

So again, if it's Mos' best shit vs. Paz', it's really no contest lyrically, flow-wise, or anything else you wanna compare...comparing the rest is merely personal preference over what you'd wanna hear LESS, not what's better out of two good things

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Finally, who said anything about 'feeling cool'? I'd rather listen to some gangster babble laced with multis and a few dope punches here and there over a bangin' beat than some bitch-oriented club shit with Pharell half-singing, half-talking over it while Jay screams "I'm in the building!" but coughs half way thru

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So basically, that was a sum up of what exactly? I'm assuming the latter half of Cam's career versus what TWO of Jay-Z's weakest singles? Yea, because bumpin Suck It or Not is a lot less gay than playin 99 Problems or Dirt off Your Shoulder

*sarcasm

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RD was indeed a hot album, I'm not denying that whatsoever, and he's had quite a bit of other decent shit, but recently he's been softer than your dick when you look at lesbian porn

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The fact that you would even bring up Jay's recent shit in a comparison against Cam is dumber move than MOP signing to G-Unit...I guess you just skipped over Killa Season, Purple Haze, and the rest of the clown rap that your boy Cam's been cluttering the market with

Minority Report and Beach Chair>>The latter half of Cam's career

American Gangster>>>any Cam album, with ease

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Now I'm not saying Cam is the best, or even in my top 100, but I'm saying that he has some level of skill and when he isn't lazy, he can write some heat. And his shit with COTC was classic, there's not many emcees who can be on a track with L and hold their own. And as far as that 'I don't like street shit?' comment, refer to what I said above, on how you only like what other people like. Shit is pathetic.

So again, I don't like some unknown street rapper, so that means I inferred something along of the lines 'fuck gangster rap'

No, stop getting confused, I may not like Cam's bullshit, but I have no problem with street raps when they're done well, which is probably why Cam and Jim Jones have a poster of RD under their single bed

Grandmaster G · 11-25-2007, 04:01 AM

accordin to NOK and A.T.I., my "essays" are usually passed up....so i aint gonna drop anythin here

that little brother album is somewhat of a good deal.....only thing that u should do wit what u have now is verify the catalog number/or bar code # so u can see if it was atcually released in 03 or if it is the original.....

if CF can see this post, how much did u get soul on ice for?

Nokturnal · 11-25-2007, 04:47 AM

^ Hey if it makes you feel any better, I just completely ignored the whole essay contest up top.

This shit is old... it's just iLL and ATI discussing their hate for each other. I'll pass until something new is talked about.

Nokturnal · 11-25-2007, 04:50 AM

oh btw, Wu ain't going plat. ATI pretty much told it like it is.

Rebel INS {CF} · 11-25-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster G

if CF can see this post, how much did u get soul on ice for?

£40

but guess what im gettin soon for £14 ?!?!? THE COUP - KILL MY LANDLORD !!!!

ILLogic · 11-25-2007, 10:53 AM

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It's relevant when you're dissing my intelligence, yet do so in a sentence that barely makes sense gramatically. The irony just flew past you, I guess.

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I say: underground fans and commercial fans alike felt the album

you: I guess that means 50>>INS

yeah, real relevant, like I said, your point made no sense because I clearly wasn't talking about commercial appeal over quality, or anything close to that, so clearly, you need to step your comprehension game up

here's what I'm going to do....I'm going to make a comparison

1) An album that gets mad respect from the mainstream and underground scenes, while being succesful in the market, and well-recieved with critics

2)An album that sells a lot, and is terrible

NOT THE SAME

That doesn't make it fact, it makes your opinion of it, which is already biased, even less worth stating, because you're just spitting out the first vague description of it that pops in your head

I guess Sean P's album was gay and boring, and nobody else thinks so, but that's the way it is just cause

You seem to think that the market hasn't changed in the last 10 years, so let me brake it down for you....there have been 3 platinum rap albums this year...all three artists are each one of the biggest in music today, have had smash hits over the past 2 years, have everybody in the industry talking about them, and are the superstars of rap...hell, even Jay-Z is going to struggle to go plat...hell, he's prolly gunna stall at 800k. So to say that a group with 0 promo, no succesful single, no commercial buzz, no radio play, and more negative than positive buzz around the album from the members themselves has a chance in hell of going plat simply because they've done it before is idiotic and is talk reserved for the stans of stans...not to mention that the only Ghost song that got any play was what? Oh yeah, a Ne-Yo duet. As far as acclaim, it might get some considering the stanship that hip-hop critics have for artists like Jay, Nas, and the Wu, but really it will be undeserved even if it comes their way.

Your quote was irrelevant because I called you a dickrider for making a propostrous statement about their sales...your quote would have been valid if I had actually dissed you for thinking the album was good, only because you would have a good argument for thinking that, as they have a great track record...but again, that wasn't the case, because I wasn't talking about your judgement on their music...As for Mos, I already said his recent shit was whack, so how am I hating on your opinion for that one? So, again, your quote was completely irrelevant...I was just thinking that your homo love for Vincenzo and Jus Blasphemy makes you biased to the point where it's not even about talent...I'm not about to call Ye a better emcee than Mos simply because all his albums shit on Mos' recent work, that just doesn't make sense...it wouldn't take an elitist to prove that that was a terrible opinion

How do I like one style if I like a variety of rappers? Again, you make no sense...you say I like only alternative rappers, that I don't like street rappers, but now it's I only like rappers that other people think are dope...which one is it, make up your mind...it's not a wild coincidence that the rappers I like get mad acclaim....I like rappers who put out great albums, and if you asked any other member here to list their favorite artists, I can guarantee that 9/10 of their fav. artits will have several albums that have been very well recieved in numerous ways, so this whole 'u only like __________ rappers' is not workin' out too well for ya

So basically, because I'm not like you, and have an artist that everyone hates for the most part that I swear is good, I'm whack? Your argument is pointless because not only do 99/100 rappers have some sort of following in various spheres, I've been into artists like Hasan Salaam, Napolean, Kanye West, Classified, Nas, k-os, etc. before I ever spoke to anyone about their music, or had any idea of how they were recieved in the midst of the rap game

I really couldn't care less about my peers opinion if I dnt like something...if that were that case, I wouldn't go around spweing statements against the likes of Sean Price, Soul on Ice, 36 Chambers, Life After Death, Nocturnal, etc.

Any artist worth mentioning is going to be considered dope by some people, so it's not even worth debating if liking unknown, or un-acclaimed artists makes someone's taste superior

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Umm, actually it does matter that Mos has more classic shit than Paz does, because that's basically where your going to base their talent off of, seeing as Mos and Paz have been EXTREMELY wack on their recent projects, so it's not even worth comparing Paz' gay fake gangster dick gargling raps with Mos' sleep enducing, 'I'm really out there' bullshit...both whack, we get it

Umm, I wouldn't go far as to say VBD was timeless, not only because I don't think it's anything special personally, but generally VBD isn't even noticed as timeless by anyone other than select underground fans, but whatever, I guess you meant timeless to you as an album.

So again, if it's Mos' best shit vs. Paz', it's really no contest lyrically, flow-wise, or anything else you wanna compare...comparing the rest is merely personal preference over what you'd wanna hear LESS, not what's better out of two good things

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So basically, that was a sum up of what exactly? I'm assuming the latter half of Cam's career versus what TWO of Jay-Z's weakest singles? Yea, because bumpin Suck It or Not is a lot less gay than playin 99 Problems or Dirt off Your Shoulder

*sarcasm

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The fact that you would even bring up Jay's recent shit in a comparison against Cam is dumber move than MOP signing to G-Unit...I guess you just skipped over Killa Season, Purple Haze, and the rest of the clown rap that your boy Cam's been cluttering the market with

Minority Report and Beach Chair>>The latter half of Cam's career

American Gangster>>>any Cam album, with ease

So again, I don't like some unknown street rapper, so that means I inferred something along of the lines 'fuck gangster rap'

No, stop getting confused, I may not like Cam's bullshit, but I have no problem with street raps when they're done well, which is probably why Cam and Jim Jones have a poster of RD under their single bed

Lmao, you totally dismissed half the points I was trying to make, like I thought you would. The majority of your shit made no sense and wasn't even relevent to the conversation.

I honestly believe you haven't even heard half the emcees you claim to have heard, because not only do those opinions you spew about them make you look ridiculous, but also, you never back it up with whack quotes or anything like that. Instead, you just hate on what the majority of underground cats are divided on. It's really quite pathetic, you prolly just dickride some faggot who writes shitty reviews.

First off, you claim that because it was widely accepted, it's good. I don't know how I can put this in simpler terms for you, because this is getting repetitive. Just because a lot of people like it, doesn't mean that it's good. Hopefully you'll be able to comprehend that statement and realize that it's exetremely relevent to your retarded ass statement about how Finding Forever was accepted by mainstream and underground alike, so it must be good! And if you don't think that an album that was generally well-liked in the ug and mainstream can be just as whack to someone as a shit cd that made mad doe, is, then you're an idiot. Anything can be whack, again it comes back to the you only like it if everyone else does, theory. That is fact, to say that someone in the world disagrees with the majority is the same as someone not liking an album that made money off the mainstream alone, makes sense. It can happen, and often time does. Just because a bunch of nerd faggot reviews who like spacey, faggot shit and a bunch of dumbed down gangsta fanatics like the same shit doesn't mean that it's liked by everybody everywhere, and just because it is accepted by those cats doesn't mean that it makes it any better of an album if the gangster reviewers didn't like it or if the faggot elitists didn't like it. And if you dismiss that then you're a blind mother fucker.

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Umm, I wouldn't go far as to say VBD was timeless, not only because I don't think it's anything special personally, but generally VBD isn't even noticed as timeless by anyone other than select underground fans

Props for doing my work for me.

And not gonna even touch on the Wu shit again. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe I'm not. At this point in the debate though, it doesn't even matter. I was simply saying before that it is possible.

Since when do I have a homo love for Vin and Jus? I think Jus is dope, definetly, one of my favorite current emcees, but I can name quite a few better cats who do it. And I'm not even a fan of Vinnie! Wtf are you talkin' about? Just because I think he's better than the almighty Mos Def, I must love him? Lmao, shutup. Personally, I only think duke can't raw on VBD, that's it, everything else has been repetitive and whack, before AND after Jus was ghost. And I love Mos' classic shit, BOBS and BS is my shit. I used to bump that on a daily bases, and it still gets moderate play from me, I'm not dismissing the dude's timeless work. I think we can both agree that his old shit is on a level of legendary, but you also have to factor in his ne

11-24-2007, 10:50 PM	#28
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11-25-2007, 04:47 AM	#33
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11-25-2007, 04:01 AM	#32
Grandmaster G Veteran Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: . Posts: 7,985 Thanks: 1 Thanked 66 Times in 41 Posts	accordin to NOK and A.T.I., my "essays" are usually passed up....so i aint gonna drop anythin here that little brother album is somewhat of a good deal.....only thing that u should do wit what u have now is verify the catalog number/or bar code # so u can see if it was atcually released in 03 or if it is the original..... if CF can see this post, how much did u get soul on ice for?